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	<title>Comments on: Elitism in IRC</title>
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		<title>By: abaddon</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>abaddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should i mention that when writing the question, i spend a few good minutes on it, i dont just throw it, and on a few occasions i dont get to send it because making my own question more clear gives me the solution to the issue.. so thats the key in my view</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should i mention that when writing the question, i spend a few good minutes on it, i dont just throw it, and on a few occasions i dont get to send it because making my own question more clear gives me the solution to the issue.. so thats the key in my view</p>
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		<title>By: abaddon</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>abaddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think you need to learn more into asking the right question, one line with a summary of the problem and system information.. i never got replies like you got and im old on irc, i usually ask &amp; google at the same time, and sometimes get good results from freenode.. just fix the issue on your side before throwing the rock on the other side
cheers :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think you need to learn more into asking the right question, one line with a summary of the problem and system information.. i never got replies like you got and im old on irc, i usually ask &amp; google at the same time, and sometimes get good results from freenode.. just fix the issue on your side before throwing the rock on the other side<br />
cheers <img src='http://metaleks.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 00:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s not good PR for open source projects when people insult new users.  On the other hand I can understand it somewhat.  It&#039;s kind of a tech help self-defense mechanism.  Make it a hassle to deal with you so people will try to solve their own problems before bothering you.  &quot;Oh man, last time Charlie was such a jerk to me, let me try to find the solution myself.  Oh look, the first hit on Google is what I need.&quot;  I think there&#039;s an element of that.  Still, this is not how we treat people Charlie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s not good PR for open source projects when people insult new users.  On the other hand I can understand it somewhat.  It&#8217;s kind of a tech help self-defense mechanism.  Make it a hassle to deal with you so people will try to solve their own problems before bothering you.  &#8220;Oh man, last time Charlie was such a jerk to me, let me try to find the solution myself.  Oh look, the first hit on Google is what I need.&#8221;  I think there&#8217;s an element of that.  Still, this is not how we treat people Charlie.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>metalek: Don&#039;t sweat the haters...  of course you&#039;re not going to know the secret handshake, 666 syllable ritual incantation and the magic knock that are required to satisfy the channel douches, when you first enter a channel.  Some people just enjoy being rude (probably they got bullied a lot in middle school... or college) and need somebody to take it out on.   Just ignore &#039;em, there&#039;s really not much you can do.  Some people will just be assholes (to strangers at least) because it&#039;s who they are.

For what it&#039;s worth though, not all IRC channels are like that.  I&#039;ve generally gotten friendly responses in #fedora, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>metalek: Don&#8217;t sweat the haters&#8230;  of course you&#8217;re not going to know the secret handshake, 666 syllable ritual incantation and the magic knock that are required to satisfy the channel douches, when you first enter a channel.  Some people just enjoy being rude (probably they got bullied a lot in middle school&#8230; or college) and need somebody to take it out on.   Just ignore &#8216;em, there&#8217;s really not much you can do.  Some people will just be assholes (to strangers at least) because it&#8217;s who they are.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth though, not all IRC channels are like that.  I&#8217;ve generally gotten friendly responses in #fedora, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: avgjoe</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>avgjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stand up post by kisielk. good job man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stand up post by kisielk. good job man.</p>
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		<title>By: BenF</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1085</link>
		<dc:creator>BenF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most amazing part of all is how the IRC assholes have all come out of the woodwork today to defend themselves and berate you &quot;for not asking the question properly.&quot;

Perhaps your question could have been slightly clearer, but that&#039;s no excuse for replying with brazen asshattery..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most amazing part of all is how the IRC assholes have all come out of the woodwork today to defend themselves and berate you &#8220;for not asking the question properly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps your question could have been slightly clearer, but that&#8217;s no excuse for replying with brazen asshattery..</p>
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		<title>By: vleis</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator>vleis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IRC is a wasteland, I have never come away from an irc experience with anything but dissapointment.

The only fun you can have in IRC is by trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRC is a wasteland, I have never come away from an irc experience with anything but dissapointment.</p>
<p>The only fun you can have in IRC is by trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven J</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1081</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tpope is a fagget</description>
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		<title>By: Aleksandar Micovic</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1080</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleksandar Micovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fritz, I often idle in #haskell and know that the people there are very friendly. Like yourself, I&#039;m a fan of the language and do think that the community played a very large part in making Haskell so successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fritz, I often idle in #haskell and know that the people there are very friendly. Like yourself, I&#8217;m a fan of the language and do think that the community played a very large part in making Haskell so successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
		<link>http://metaleks.net/internet/elitism-in-irc/comment-page-2#comment-1079</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if this is the best reason to try it out, but I know from both personal experience and numerous reports from other on the web that the Haskell folk on IRC are universally helpful, kind and gentle with newbie questions (and even not-so-newbie ones).

I happen to like the language, and think that it&#039;s well-designed, etc. But I sometimes get the impression that it&#039;s popularity derives in large part from the fact that its adherents are so good with newcomers.

In Haskell&#039;s early days I would never have predicted that it would become the phenomenon it currently is, but apparently I didn&#039;t take into account the effect of a small and friendly community, as multiplied by the power of IRC (and blogs, etc.).

Anyway, if you have any interest in purely functional programming languages, I&#039;d invite you to try it out, if for no other reason than to restore your faith in humanity^H^H^H IRC :) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this is the best reason to try it out, but I know from both personal experience and numerous reports from other on the web that the Haskell folk on IRC are universally helpful, kind and gentle with newbie questions (and even not-so-newbie ones).</p>
<p>I happen to like the language, and think that it&#8217;s well-designed, etc. But I sometimes get the impression that it&#8217;s popularity derives in large part from the fact that its adherents are so good with newcomers.</p>
<p>In Haskell&#8217;s early days I would never have predicted that it would become the phenomenon it currently is, but apparently I didn&#8217;t take into account the effect of a small and friendly community, as multiplied by the power of IRC (and blogs, etc.).</p>
<p>Anyway, if you have any interest in purely functional programming languages, I&#8217;d invite you to try it out, if for no other reason than to restore your faith in humanity^H^H^H IRC <img src='http://metaleks.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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